User talk:Jamo2008

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Well, on second look it's rather welcome back but better late than never.--Tikiwont (talk) 21:49, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

A pie for you!

For your work in updating the census data for cities and towns in Iowa. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 03:10, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Congratulations, Jamo2008, for recently making your 1,000th edit to articles on English Wikipedia! Thank you for your diligence in updating statistics on sports and census data, and for all your contributions to the encyclopedia. Keep up the great work! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 20:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Mixed 2010 and 2000 data

Hey, thank you for all the census 2010 updates! I have a question, which I posted here to the people watching the Census project. I notice you are updating the demographics but leaving in the income paragraph, which is from the 2000 census. Before I started going through and fixing them I wondered if there was a fast way to add "According to the 2000 census" to the beginning of that paragraph, since right now it implies that data is from 2010. (It's important data and I wouldn't want Wikipedia to lose it.) Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 02:05, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar

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	For taking on the repetitively fun task of updating US census data Dkriegls (talk to me!) 16:29, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Municipalities in Nebraska

I note that you're changing the demographics numbers for Nebraska municipalities to reflect 2010 census data. Glad to see this being done.

Unfortunately, I think you're introducing errors in the course of your edits. You're substituting "city" for "village" in several of the cases I've checked. In Nebraska, a city and a village are two different things, depending on population; note this chapter of the Nebraska Revised Statutes going into the differences between them.

Could you change your procedure to avoid turning villages into cities on future edits, and correct the ones you've already changed? Thanks. Ammodramus (talk) 03:31, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I can fix it I was aware of the differences since I have a script that parses wiki pages to grab the links to all cities in a given state, which requires me to look for cities, towns, villages, etc. I just forgot to make the change to that part of my code to reflect that and it also turns out that I called all "towns" in South Dakota cities as well. That is probably in the neighborhood of 300 corrections I'll have to make so I will probably leave them stand for a few days before I get around to coding something to automate that for me, because I don't feel like doing that many manually. I'll also make sure to fix the section that is breaking right now so it doesn't continue doing that. Feel free to further scrutinize my updates I'd hate to get even further in and have to go redo a couple thousand edits because of a silly mistake like this one 300 is bad enough.

Thanks—judging by the times of your edits, I figured that you were using some kind of automated process, and I hoped you'd have some automated way of fixing the city/village business. Sympathize with your not wanting to do it manually.

Any chance of rewriting the boilerplate and auto-fixing it at some future point? The third paragraph strikes me as poorly written: it should really lead with the median age, as a single summary statistic for the age distribution, and should eliminate "the population was spread out", which sounds like it should be about population density. I'd be happy to help with the rewrite of the paragraph, if you can devise an automated tool to do the changes. Ammodramus (talk) 03:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm using my own semi-automated program at this point I have to do two clicks per edit during which I quickly scan for any mess ups. I have been slowly working it towards fully automated as I go along so that I can hopefully catch things like this before I completely let it loose, and it won't take me too long to modify it I might get around to doing that tonight I just like to give pessimistic time frames when people ask in case something comes up and I don't do any editing tonight. As far as the third paragraph goes I agree its not the best, but I don't think it should be changed without input from more than two people since it almost the exact same paragraph that has been on every city page in the US for about a decade, the only difference is the last sentence which I changed from #men per 100 women to percentages, which isn't the part you don't like. If you would like to rewrite it, which I'd prefer writing isn't a strong suit of mine, and get some input from other sources so that it's a consensus thing to do I'll gladly change that paragraph and go back and change it to the new paragraph in Iowa, North Dakota and South Dakota.

Thanks. I've left a note at WikiProject Cities, which seemed like an appropriate venue to discuss the matter. Ammodramus (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick fix on the city/village business. Ammodramus (talk) 18:55, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem it was my mistake so it was mine to fix. Also as far as your proposed change goes It's not looking like anybody is going to reply a lot of the comments on that page never got replies and those that did got them within a day. I would liked to have had some more input on the proposed change, but if nobody is going to respond I suppose I can just go ahead and make the change. If for some reason it really ruffles someones feathers I can always change it back. Jamo2008 (talk) 02:37, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Here is what my program spits out for Omaha's third paragraph you can proofread it to see if I made any mistakes.

The median age in the city was 33.5 years. 25.1% of residents were under the age of 18; 11.4% were between the ages of 18 and 24; 27.9% were from 25 to 44; 24.4% were from 45 to 64; and 11.4% were 65 years of age or older. The gender makeup of the city was 49.2% male and 50.8% female.

Jamo2008 (talk) 02:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Looks good, and thanks for the fix. I'm sorry we didn't get some comments, since it would've been good to get some more input. However, I recall that six months or a year ago, there was some discussion somewhere about changing the boilerplate; the consensus seemed to be that it would be a good idea, but nothing further was done. Unfortunately, I don't remember where that discussion took place, and have no idea how I'd search for it short of going through all of my contribution history line by line.

Glad you're bringing your technical expertise to bear on this situation; it would have been a huge amount of work to fix the wording article by article. Thanks again— Ammodramus (talk) 11:18, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

More trouble—on several of the Nebraska villages on which your last edit bore the summary "Third paragraph rewrite", they're again called "the city": for example, at Guide Rock, Nebraska, it's now: "The median age in the city was..." You've only done half a dozen in Nebraska so far; if you like, I can fix them manually, since such a small number doesn't seem to demand a mechanical fix. However, I'll let you know so that the problem won't happen any further (and to make sure that my manual fixes wouldn't screw up things for you). 20:49, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Nebraska just hasn't good to me so far, but ya that error was a result of the new code I copy and pasted your paragraph into my program then edited the numbers to be method calls forgot about the city thing I just have to change it to city.getType() (As you can see coming from Iowa were everything is a city no matter what size I even made the variable in my program the word city) instead of it being hard coded and that will fix it. If you want to take care of those couple mistakes that would be great.

A barnstar for you!

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	Thanks for your work in the census updating. It really makes a lot of editors' lives easier! Chevsapher (talk) 21:21, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Municipalities in South Dakota

What are your criteria for changing municipalities from towns to cities? Sandcherry (talk) 14:02, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

What ever the census calls them is what I call them now. I'm going back over South Dakota, North Dakota and Iowa because originally I called everything a town in the demographic section because that was what the place I used as a template for that paragraph was and I called everything in the geography section a city because that was the what the place I used as the template for that was called. I had this mistake pointed out to me when I was working on Nebraska so I'm now changing them back to what the census defines them as. Jamo2008 (talk) 14:11, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that you undid my Kimball South Dakota edit so that the first paragraph in the demographics section now says town. I don't think that that is correct, in the side panel for the page under the name of the place it's called a city and if you go to this link <a href="http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/46000.html"> and click on select a city, then select other places not listed, then click on find a city or town you will be able to see all of the places in South Dakota. When you find Kimball you'll notice the census also refers to it as a city. Jamo2008 (talk) 14:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I reverted my change. Using the census defintion is a good approach. Identifying a small town like Kimball (pop. 700) as a city is debatable, but that is the census defintion and they do have a city council. Keep up the good work! Sandcherry (talk) 18:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I looked up the census descriptions of small North Dakota towns and was surprised to see all of them listed as cities. A small burg like Pick City with about a 100 residents is hardly a city. Therefore, using the census defintion is not a good approach. Any other ideas? Sandcherry (talk) 18:59, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not really in the know of how the city versus village/town thing works I'm from Iowa and everything is a city there regardless of size, so I don't know how other states determine this. I feel like the census is just using the states definitions though since the types vary from state to state so that is the most valid way of doing it in my opinion. Also over half my edits have been purged because of not being authorized to run a bot so I may not be allowed to continue any further with editing, I'm currently in the process of getting permission.Jamo2008 (talk) 19:05, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Infobox settlement template changes to city articles

Concerning the "Infobox settlement" template edits for cities in Kansas:

• population_as_of = [[2010 United States Census|2010]]

This is the correct article name. I think it got renamed between the time I first started editing all Kansas articles in 2011 and now.

• population_total = 1210

This field doesn't need a comma.

• population_density_sq_mi = auto

This is the easy was to do the density per sq mi.

• Sbmeirow • Talk • 04:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

2010 is what I've used for Iowa, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas it links to the proper article so I see no point in changing that.

I'll look at my code for the comma thing either way it works so It's not a big deal

Not a fan of the auto function it looks odd when I provide two decimal digits of precision in the area and then the auto function rounds off any decimals with that said if my code finds it in certain situations it leaves it there, because that just is the easier route to take then trying to edit it out, but I'm not going to change my code to use the auto function because it doesn't provide one decimal digit of precision.

Jamo2008 (talk) 13:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

I think we are suppose to only add NEW wikilinks to the actual article instead of the redirect. I updated 2010 census for almost the entire state of Kansas before I discovered that it changed. So my point is...if you are going to touch all of the cities, then please change it to the correct article name.

No big deal about the auto function. If you are doing an automated update, then do whatever works. When I updated all the cities in Kansas, it was easier to go this route by hand.

Last year, people said no one was going to do an automated update, so that is why I did all the Kansas manually. No big deal, becuase I cleaned up every city article as I added the census, so all of them are better than before I did it.

• Sbmeirow • Talk • 21:49, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm certainly not up on the Wikipedia politics of editing I just coded a bot for the heck of it I'll change the link my code is putting in, but is it a big enough deal to actually go back and change it? North Dakota and Iowa would get changed at some point since I have to rerun those for other reasons, but is it that important that I should rerun Nebraska, Kansas and South Dakota as well and if so can it at least wait till I'm done editing the other states?Jamo2008 (talk) 00:17, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

The world isn't going to end if you don't do it. I'll cleanup Kansas manually as I touch various cities. I've seen people and bots go through articles replacing various redirects with correct article names, so I know there is some group of people that thinks its important to change them. I'm not sure if they are fixing all redirects or specific ones, but its possible that some bot might fix them. I noticed your new changes on some of the Missouri cities. I'm watching all the cities in Kansas plus some other cities in various other states, because of past fixes on those cities. Sometimes I randomly pick cities in the USA to cleanup, so you might see my edits in other states too. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 04:46, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the demographics sections! I'm glad that someone is doing it. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 04:57, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll cleanup a few this weekend as well since I had a bug that will require some minor edits to correct, but when ever I rerun North Dakota and Iowa to update them to the revised third paragraph and date their income info I'll code something to clean up those links then I'll turn around and run that code on South Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas I don't know for sure when I'll do that rerun but It probably won't be too long from now. I'd rather not see you fret with doing it manually when I already have the infrastructure in place to automate it I just have to write the code to look for them. Also just for clarification is the link you provided the only one that is suppose to be used and all the other ones I've seen should be changed, because I've seen about 10 different variations of that link. Jamo2008 (talk) 13:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

If the redirects are pointing at something other than the 2010 United States Census article, then we need to investigate further. What ever is the name of the final article name at the top of the page, after the redirect, is what is important. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 18:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Never mind I was just mistaken, I looked at my svn and I've actually only seen 2 versions the one you told me to use and the one I was using before I was thinking I'd seen a lot more due to having seen quite a bit a variation in what comes after the |.

Cedar Falls

It was a mistake; I did not mean to delete the 2010 data. That being said, do not delete 2000 census data — consensus on the issue held that its removal was quite inappropriate. I was quite unaware that you had been performing mass deletions of 2000 census data and inexplicably changing the geography information away from what the cited source, {{GR|1}}, said. Feel free to use your script to add 2010 data, but do not delete information — especially when you cite no source for area changes. Nyttend (talk) 14:32, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Looking at your contributions, I've just realised that you're running an unapproved bot on this account. Stop now. Any further bot editing without a request for approval is in violation of our bot policy and will result in a temporary block. Nyttend (talk) 14:36, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

I already said that it was a mistake. Nyttend (talk) 17:21, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok I see that now on the Cedar Falls page but you might as well undo that one too like your reverting all of my other perfectly legitmate edits just because they were automated doesn't mean the data isn't correct and legitimate you could at least wait for the yah or nah from the bot page before undoing all of my work. Jamo2008 (talk) 17:32, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Your edits are not legitimate. You deleted large amounts of information against consensus, and you changed the geography bits without any sources at all. Of the six points at WP:BOTREQUIRE, the edits you made only pass points 2, 3, and 6. An approved bot that only adds demographic data and provides sources for any geographic changes will be an immensely valuable thing, but just as if you were making all of these edits yourself, your bot must make its changes with proper citations. Nyttend (talk) 17:46, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Furthermore, let me note that one of the points for which you need to request approval is to enable the bot to restore the information you deleted. I have been able to restore information for many cities, but because of later edits in many page histories (including virtually everything in Kansas and South Dakota), you must instruct the bot to go back and add the 2000 information that it deleted. Nyttend (talk) 18:13, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

I'd probably just put that data back in by hand rather than rewrite something to do that since you seem to have purged over half my edits and I can probably do that many edits by hand faster than coding something from scratch and testing it.Jamo2008 (talk) 18:43, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Congrats...

...on your bot approval. Let the updating begin! Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 18:54, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

2000 Census data

Hi Jamo. Just curious about the adding of 2000 census data back to Ottumwa and Mount Sterling, Iowa (and maybe others). Maybe I've misunderstood, but in nearly all the city type Wiki's I've seen and worked on, the 2010 census data replaces the 2000 since it's an update. Just MHO but to have the 2000 data there too just seems a little like unneccessary clutter. Is there an established Wikipedia policy on this? Just wondering for my fund of knowledge. Much thanks, and have a great Wiki kinda day! Sector001 (talk) 07:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Coolness. Thanks for the update. I too didn't know there'd been a discussion and consensus reached about it. I mostly just sit in my little corner of the world working on Missouri & Iowa related articles lol and don't get much involved in the big debates. I guess by having 2010 and 2000 both it can provide a comparison on growth, or lack thereof. Thanks again. Sector001 (talk) 14:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Towns in Missouri

There's a note at Category:Towns in Missouri with an explanation and a link — basically, the legislature abolished the classification of "town" and redesignated each town as a village or a city. Unfortunately, the Census Bureau doesn't seem to have picked up on this fact yet. Thanks for the good work on the demographics! Nyttend (talk) 19:31, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

2010 Census

Hi! Thanks so much for adding the 2010 Census data to Gardiner, Maine. Do you have a bot or a way to add this to other pages? There are a few municipalities in the Gardiner, Maine area where someone tried adding the 2010 census data, but I question it's reliability. Foggynotion (talk) 4:00, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the update! Do you know if your bot will override the questionable Census data that was manually input, or should I delete that? Foggynotion (talk) 9:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, thank you very much! It's immensely helpful to have this data coming in. Nyttend (talk) 05:39, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Traverse City, Michigan

As to any edits bearing your user name, I did not "Revert", but instead undid. I did revert an unregistered IP, but AI assume that wasn't you. If it was you, you need to log in, and you might want to get an administrator to fix the showing of the IP address. I put back Michael Moore and put in references. I trust we are now in agreement. Happy holidays. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:38, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I also put in a citation for Kenny Olson, guitarist for the pop music artist Kid Rock was raised there."Kenny Olson, Former Guitarist for Kid Rock, Comes to Traverse City". MyNorth. December 2010. Retrieved December 24, 2012. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:44, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

One of the kid rock videos features a lot of classic Chris Craft boats and bodacious babes cavorting on Torch Lake (I think from my observation of it– I've been there, and it is not my favorite Michigan inland lake as you have to like the noise of power boats and personal watercraft a whole lot{{ndash)) so it is beautiful, but on a summer's day way too congested and noisy. I don't remember the name of the video, however. I also have a friend who has a place on that lake. There are also a lot of nouveau riche and their offspring who put on airs. Not my style. It is, however, a really nice place to bike around. IMHO. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:43, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Kid Rock may have a place on Torch Lake. Here And he may have filmed it near Torch Lake, but not on it. There. None of which changes what I wrote. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:28, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Bot request

Hi Jamo2008! You may want to use {{BAG assistance needed}} in your bot request to get some attention to it. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 17:08, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the tip I was unaware of that feature, my first bot request got ignored for a significant amount of time as well and a null edit with an advertisement in the description worked then so that was what I decided to try again.Jamo2008 (talk) 23:52, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Maharishi Vedic City

Thanks much for your note, and for fixing the population densities by hand. I do hope that the Census Bureau corrects the figure at some point. TimidGuy (talk) 16:01, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

2010 Maine Census

Hello, The towns of Winthrop, Maine and Farmingdale, Maine look a bit questionable with the 2010 data. Specifically, the population data, which groups the age brackets differently than every other town, and doesn't appear to be 100% accurate. Could you take a look? Thanks! Foggynotion (talk) 2:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. It does seem that for consistency sake formatting should be streamlined the same as the other 99.9% of towns in Maine. Foggynotion (talk) 2:04, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Bradshaw thanks!

There was basically a travel brochure on the page telling you of friendly people and majestic mountains, much appreciate the removel of the tag, I removed the "data" that was thereCoal town guy (talk) 20:42, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Minor error by the bot

Just thought you might want to see this edit, where the bot dumped a new external link at the top of an article. I can't remember seeing this anywhere else, so it might be an isolated incident. Nyttend (talk) 22:32, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I can't complain about isolated errors because they're isolated, especially when manual input means that things might easily happen on one page and not elsewhere. Nyttend (talk) 03:18, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

2012 Estimate

Hi, Wow your User:JBradley Bot make edit in every city in many states. I saw West Virginia and Indiana is missing and old 2011 estimate. I have been to Alabama. You might edit in every city in Alabama in 2012 Estimate. Thank! --Rossdegenstein (talk) 14:22, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

2012 WV estimates

Hey there sorry for the confusion as to which page I left a comment on. Specifically, the info box is of course accurate, HOWEVER, the article itself, the intro has the 2010 figure and so, you have an info box with a 2012 estimate and the article proper with a 2010 figure. I went ahead and adjusted the articles themselves to relfect the 2012 estimate. Good job by the way. A few of the WV counties still has data from 2000, that was fun. However, I was able to update those as well. Many thanksCoal town guy (talk) 20:44, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

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